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Michael Bamford's lorry (razz) ERF ECX Cummins 405
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No: 3234   Contributor: Gavin Knight   Year: 2009   Manufacturer: Erf   Country: United Kingdom
Michael Bamford's lorry (razz) ERF ECX Cummins 405

september 2009 erf ecx cummins 405 power in the yard
Picture added on 31 December 2009 at 13:23
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Nice lorries to drive these, and they pull well. Andrew.

Added by Andrew Wright on 31 December 2009.
They would be better with an eton twin spillet box in them rather than the 16 speed. 4 over 4 pull better with the twin split.

Added by Gavin Knight on 01 January 2010.
The one I drive pulls well enough, she's not at her design weight as she is now a rigid 6 wheeler with a tank, Eaton Twin Splitter, ha ha interesting. Andrew.

Added by Andrew Wright on 02 January 2010.
i have a sticker of erf s in oulton park on my landy but i am not a lover of erf ever since i drove lv s with them old garders i used to have a 14 litre cummings in one which was a good motor last one i drove was ec11 1995 for castle cement.

Added by Dennis Roberts on 26 February 2010.
I think I would rather the 4over4 with a splitter on the side. I drove Foden 12 speeds and a Roman with a column splitter which was ace and many of crash boxes. Spicer was a nice box I had in a roadtrain. Some of the haulmaster boxes were back to front. If you had two different lorries the same day with different boxes could be a pain.

Added by Dennis Roberts on 26 February 2010.
its not good that all thoses british trucks have gone but i used to pass thoses scania 110s and volvo 88s up the bird lip with a 14 litre cummings b cab ERF in the cab. There was a plate which read 'welcome to the beast'. It was a double drive which could be a pain on wet roads you had to lift the trailing axle on the fodens on much wenlock bank otherwise you had fun, on sutton bank there was fun as well. I used to drive halfcab fodens 1970 ish i used to like them because when you got to the old mersey tunnel in the morning all the fellas would pile in if you had a s39 foden the asked you to drop them off at camalaids birkenhead that was for tilcons s80s were big cabs after the s39s but we did have halfcab tankers as well and some s40s as well i think we had most of the trucks that foden made tipper-wise.

Added by Dennis Roberts on 27 February 2010.
I have the 4 over 4 on the one I drive with the splitter, it is a very nice lorry to drive, once in cruise control, and the radio works.

Added by Andrew Wright on 27 February 2010.
i had a daf 85 06 reg but it was a pig because it had this computer controlled pedal off road it was awfull to drive it kept juking the old 85 was great but saying that i have the same problem with my td5 landrover any way we are going off the subject erf wize i was talking to a foden man and i said i have drove lots of fodens but i didnt drive an alfa he said thats not a foden anyway (daf)lv i used to drive belonged to far nleys (lsm)after them tilcons it had a david-brown gearbox which had one gear at the side of the other the prop used to pop out at the back end then you had to wait allday sometimes for the fitters to come out i had a lift in the tipper body of an halfcab though the mersey tunnel one day never again thank you my mate as got an lv in his garage in good nick but talking about old lorries i used to drive 1944 mack 1947 dennis 1957 morrises bedford s types oy s thames traders but long nose mostly commer two strokes tks guys all old leylands seddons atkinsons aecs dodges but trying to back them in to a narrow space with no power steering was no joke the swet used to poor off you and all that roping and sheeting but they were good old days i blame garnder engines for the trouble with my back and feet we used to put a wood wedge on the pedal on the fodens diamond t is my truck but if its like the mack you get three gallons to mile (petrol) ones that is anyway keep on trucking roll-on ps you had to unload the truck by hand after backing in with no power steering

Added by Dennis Roberts on 27 February 2010.
the erf in the picture looks like a coil carrier i used to work for john summers steel works in the 60s i do think this truck pulls out of there they had rope and sheet coil carriers then no fancy covers then they were more or less all leyland octapuses but erfs is one of the proper trucks i must admit after gardners the cumming engines used to rev like hell and i always found the engines run hot (temp) wize but they did pull well you used to curse them gardners on a hill and i think a lot of drivers behind you did as well in the passed i had v signs

Added by Dennis Roberts on 03 March 2010.
Dennis, your second to last post was very good, why not put something similar into print and get it published in the CVC magazine, I'm sure people would love reading it. Andrew.

Added by Andrew Wright on 05 March 2010.
Good old british trucks the old 14 litre was really good trucks nothing used to be able to touch her she would pull like a train ERF are animal of a truck and god knows why they stopped building them.

Added by Gavin Knight on 16 March 2010.
Same old problem every thing british has to go what ever it is then you get cheap rubbish from oversea at the end of the day it boils down to greed. factory owners trying to get more profit , they say cant afford to pay british workers because of the wages but at the end of the day if the goverment didnt charge so much for everything people in this country could live cheaper ense lower wages and good old british products (erf-foden-atkison-seddon leyland-and an hell of a lot more products i could go on for ever naming good old british stuff thats gone down the pan because of profit ,i dont like scanias they are good trucks but they give you bard backs dafs are ok its not the old scanias its the ones that have been out for the last 10 years i am not saying that british trucks are perfect bmc,s you had to have arms like a spyder to change gear ,i was talking to somebody yesterday and i said they didnt keep that turkish bmc long they told me the gearbox had gone i think that was the drivers they had 4over4 eatonbox its a goodbox hard to break if it is treated right the one i drove was a cumming and a 4over4 eaton ,but if you do not know how to change gear in one you can wreck any box ,when you went for an interview to a haulage place one of the first things they would ask you is can you drive a twinsplitter etc most heavy erf had them one time ,i have got a tape from eaton telling you how to use the box ,i found it on a footpath one day when walking ,i could talk about trucks allday that was my job anyway keep on trucking out there lads ,den .

Added by Dennis Roberts on 17 March 2010.
good old eaton twinspilt quick changing box. a lot of people say there hard to drive but i don't recon that easy.

Added by Gavin Knight on 11 April 2010.
foden 12 speed splitter was ok when it was working ok but sometimes when you were going up a steep hill they did not go in then you lost all your speed ,when they put the change on the gear lever i didnt think they were as good when the s80 come on the road with the foden range change 9 speed i think ,if you new were the 12 gears were you could use them but i dont think foden would have liked that ,some of the last s36s had them on the gear stick ,when i used to go though liverpool to anitree all them traffic lights some times you would forget what gear you were in ,but eaton twin-splitter was far better in the erf when you were carring maxium weight (full-load)on the cement we always did ,if you were told to take your tank off and get a trailer on ,if there was a taulkliner i used to put that on but many a time i was asked why i hadnt put a flat trailer on by the traffic man ,because you could carry one more pallet on being an extra ton and a half,but you had to rope and sheet it ,which was ok in the summer but bloody cold on your hands in the winter,and like being on a sailing ship in the wind ,when the wind would send the rope back over ,and some times the sheet over you ,many a time you would be swearing at the thing ,most trucks these days are easy to drive ,like cars gearwize all sincro , not like some of them erf,s ,nobody told you how to change gear in them ,i was sent over the snake pass in a foden 12 speed one day ,at the time i was driving erf lv,s with a david brown box in if you caught a km bedford 6 legger of williams brothers of treuddyn up you had fun after that anyway keep on trucking out there lads your doing a good job cementman long gone .

Added by Dennis Roberts on 12 April 2010.
I have just bought a 1949 Foden S20, it has a 12 speed gear box, the low/med/high change is between the drivers seat and bonnet. I thought at first I could use this gearbox the 60s/70s Fodens, loaded pull away in 3rd low, then 1st med then 1st high then 2nd med and so on, mainly using around nine gears BUT the beast I have now is only happy with 2nd/3rd /4th/med and 4th/high. It has a Gardner 120, lw. Could anyone tell me a Later gearbox, like the 60/early 70s be fitted to my lorry. I can`t remember if the range change was electic or air, I`m sure they were electic, I think they were air on the S80/S83 and on the gearstick, as someone has said Fodens called the a nine speed But 12 gears were there. Would be very greatful for any advice.The old Foden is just for shows and Sunday trips out But I live in West Wales and every bend is followed by a hill (Painful) Thank-you Mark Smith.11.10.2010.

Added by Mark Smith. on 11 October 2010.
Mark its 40 years since I drove one of them 12 speeds but if I remember right you started off in 2 low them 3rd med them 4th med then high , but if you were empty you could start off 1234 med then high if you wanted, but I had a 180 in mine , they were air on the s80 I think elecric on the haulmaster , yes you could find 12 if you new were they were on the 9 speed , you could on the first haulmasters but they put a eaton rangechange in the later ones , mark do you know david devine he was with readymix den.

Added by Dennis Roberts on 12 October 2010.
Dennis, thanks for your message. Sorry I don`t know David.
I worked on Gen-Haulage and T/I/R in the late 60s. Then I got a job with B.O.Company in Thame Oxon.There they had a fleet of Fodens, I drove perm-nights for 14ys.Not sure of Foden numbers but we called them Micky Mouse Fodens, only had 150 Gardner but with the 12speed they cope well with 28tons gross and the s36---I think was the modle had 680 Layland engines, 32 ton gross , very noisey but went like a rocket. Then came the s80/83 with Cummins 220/250 and if gearbox was used like the older ones they were fine But if used as a 9speed the gaps between the gears was to much, lost a lot of pull waiting for engine rev`s to die down.If I could put a s36 gearbox in my Foden, even with just the 120 Gardner it would be a nice drive. I had a Guy Big J--K reg and then an L Reg the L reg had Power assisted steering, like to fit power assisted to my Foden, not a strong as I was.Onec again thanks Den- and if anyone else has any tips on whether I could fit an 60s 12 speed to my 1949 Foden.Thanks for reading Mark.

Added by Mark Smith. on 12 October 2010.
Please can anyone tell me if a 180 x Bus Gardner engine would fit in my Foden s20, looking at a Bus engine that was for sale on ebay, to me it looked as if the bell housing back plate was different, the engine would have had a semi-auto gearbox.the engine didn`t sell!be nice to fit a 180, instead of my 120.Thankyou-anyhelp would be greatful.

Added by Mark Smith. on 04 November 2010.
Years ago, we bought a lorry engine out of an AEC Mammoth Major to put in a coach, we had all the parts, so don't see any reason why you should not be able to do the same.

Added by Andrew Wright on 04 November 2010.
Andrew. Thanks for your message.Think I need to be able to see two photos together, One of the Bus 180 and One of a lorry 180, I sure the back plate looks different, if it is I wont be able to fit manual gearbox. The bus 180 engine was fitted with a semi-auto. Once again thankyou, anyone else who might know-like to hear from you, Mark.

Added by Mark Smith. on 05 November 2010.
Hi Mark
I drove an S20 6 wheeled artic low loader of about 1949 vintage back in the early seventies. The company I worked for had two. The gearboxes were the 12 speed type. One had a manual range change handle to the left of the drivers seat which had High/medium/ low positions. The other had been ‘converted’ to air. The gear change levers had 4 positions.
The sequence I used if starting off with 45 tons on the back, was

UP the box was
1st/L (low) – 2nd /L - 3rd/L - 4th/L
change the range stick into (M) MEDIUM range and gear stick back into -
2nd/M - 3rd/M - 4th/M
change the range stick into H (HIGH) and gear stick back into –
3rd/H - 4th/H (top)

Down the box was a bit more difficult as you had to change down a range before you were at full revs for the lower gear. When you changed (by dibbing the clutch then full revs on the throttle) you had an uneasy wait while you were in a neutral waiting for the speed to match the revs and it would drop into gear very smoothly, miss the speed and it wouldn’t engage and you would sit there in neutral unable to get the lower range, embarrassing and awkward as you then would be doing a hill start with 65 ton gross with a gardener 150!
When converted to AIR change things were easier as it would force it through the ranges so to speak.

DOWN was –
(Top) 4th /H - 3rd/H - 2nd/H change range to M (MEDIUM) gear stick to
4th - 3rd/M Keep gear stick in 3rd , change range to L (LOW) 3rd/L then gear to 2nd then 1st.
(when fully loaded) 4th/H - 3rd/H 2nd/H - 2nd/M - 2nd/L then 1st/L(bottom).

Added by David Cox on 16 November 2010.
David. Thank you for your message. My Foden has the range cgang between bonnet and seat, the only way I seem to be able to use the Gearbox is (Its a recovery Lorry 6wheeler eight and half tons)pull away in (Mostly) second/third/forth/ then forth high, Tomorrow I going out for a short drive and will try the third high to forth med-, then high, I sure I have tryed this and just got a lot of noise from box and then went back to third, hope all this makes sence ! Can you say if the S36 TO S39 (1960-ish) that had the four gears and the three way splitter near the steering used Electic or air.I know the S80 and after were air but seem to think the earlier S36/39 were done through a solenoid.--Please any information-I would be greatful for, as my Foden hasn`t air. Thank you for reading this. Mark.

Added by Mark Smith. on 19 November 2010.
Hi Mark
It’s a long time ago, but the S20 I had, as I said was a manual range change linked to a crash gearbox. The range change selector was a long handle between the seat and the bonnet and the gear lever was a four (H)gear stick with a squeeze leaver at the top to get reverse.
The whole thing with the range selector was that you had to get it changed down before you were at the flat out speed of the lower range (by just moving the selector leaver without using the clutch) Then when you were ready to change down a range just dib the clutch, then rev fully and wait. Your heart was in your mouth if you were not used to it. This had to be done at a higher speed than it would be flat out in the lower gear so you drove on the Speedo. After dibbing the clutch you would just sit there revving as if you were in neutral BUT if you did it at a higher road speed, as I’ve already said it would smoothly drop into gear and power away. IF you change at a speed lower than the top speed for the gear it would just sit there making horrible clunking noises sort of in between ranges with no drive.
The range selector was mechanical and when the sister wagon was converted they just replaced the manual selector with a three range leaver on the steering coulomb. Good luck.

Added by David Cox on 20 November 2010.
David, thank you for your info, will give it a go (Range-Change).
I have just bought a 180 Gardner with a A, E, C Thornycroft Gearbox (6 speed)I will be quite happy with the box as I drove Guys with this box (a-few years ago)Before I fit the 180 (taking out a 120)I would like to strip the Engine down--hopefully just a set of rings-around £200. If anyone could tell me the best (and not to dear) place to have Injectors and Pump check over. I have seen a company selling Power Assisted steering units, which run off belt-going to have ago and see what I can do, will let all know. Thanks for reading and as I said info would be very welcome.Mark

Added by Mark Smith. on 10 December 2010.
Please. Dose anyone know where I can get hold of a Foden 12 Speed gearbox, the type use in the 60s and early 70s, with the range change mounted near the Steering, Thank you Mark

Added by Mark Smith. on 31 January 2011.
hi mark there was a foden s36 for sale in a tractor mag I had last week looks like an old trumix 6 legger , i know its a complete lorry but a foden gearbox will set you back a few quid. its a 180 gardner , it is in somerset, there are some old fodens in a quarry in mid-wales (bowens oil etc it will be in yellow pages , that place will open your eyes the old trucks he as got , have a mate with an haulage yard he had 60s fodens and I know one with a mickey-mouse 4 legger which my mate owned , old l reg they started putting them on the gearstick I didnt like them den.

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Added by Dennis Roberts on 02 February 2011.
Thank you for your letter (Comment).
I will have a look in the Yellow Pages. I have spoken to a Man who is well into Fodens.I said to him that I needed a 60s 12Speed, he ask what Foden I had, then said his Mate owned it ten years ago and that he had driven it, then said he got a Dozen or more 12 Speeds BUT would not sell me one as he said I should leave the Lorry as it should.
Thought there might have been alittle more friendship amongst us (well speaking for myself) older drivers, still can`t complain at least I have my own Lorry and not now driving around the Country for someone else.
Once again Dennis, Thank you very much.Mark.

Added by Mark Smith. on 04 February 2011.
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